Черновики Даниила Андреева
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Я, как модератор и редактор форума, получаю эстетическое удовольствие от таких дискуссий. Не зря темы о списке слоёв Шаданакара сразу обозначены мною значком (*), то есть включены в Избранное форума.
Я, как модератор и редактор форума, получаю эстетическое удовольствие от таких дискуссий. Не зря темы о списке слоёв Шаданакара сразу обозначены мною значком (*), то есть включены в Избранное форума.
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Да, содержательные дискуссии всегда являются достоянием форума, его оправданием. А в избранное я добавлял многое почти не читая, по самой теме или по автору. И не всегда это было удачно. Например, многие материалы Белгородского обманывали зрение обстоятельностью подхода и большим количеством буков, ссылок, цитат; однако содержали нередко вздор, подмены, провокационные выпады и крючки; как и его псевдо-андреевская «энциклопедия», смешивающая рм-контент с оккультным мусором и всякой грязью; потом приходилось удалять всё это в корзину. Пояснять не буду, не хочу опять погружаться в это.
Знатоки все в Париже.
В России скоро никого не останется. Как там писал один поэт-эмигрант:Если выпало в империи родиться,
лучше жить в глухой провинции у моря...
Но если доживём до Оттепели, будут ещё и встречи, и дискуссии. Я думаю, это лет через 15, на закате жизни.
Ух, как интересно! Не знал... Вообще, да, самое обидное и опасное, когда в нашу любимую брамфатурщину начинают присобачивать оккультные, теософоские, антропософские бредовины — начинается полный Калимантан)))))
У нас в Ереванчике моря конечно нет, зато кругом Орлионтана)) Так что если вдруг шо — ай да к нам!
Будет очень интересно. Золотая сборная форума — кто остался жив, кто не свихнулся — соберется у костра где-нибудь в Горячем Ключе, и будет подан знак выше, и вздрогнет
Да, именно Орлионтана, но подальше от Ж-4.
Южно-кавказские горы Грузии и Армении, а также и средне-азиатский Тянь-Шань.
Для этого не обязательно ждать оттепели. Поглядим.
Максим,
Фэруччио,
Daniil Andreev wrote about his method, saying:
«I have in mind not so much magic or occultism, which have been discredited by a number of misunderstandings, but rather the concept of spiritual work. Various systems and schools of that type can be found in all religions with long spiritual traditions.»
For comparison, Philippe Nizier said:
Il y a deux voies: la voie mentale (occult way) et la voie du Père. Ainsi le comte de Saint-Germain, qui est mort maintenant, a certainement vécu très longtemps. (not by magic) Ce n’est pas par la magie. Ilfaut manger très peu de viande, ne pas boire d’alcool, s’abstenir des femmes, ne jamais se mettre en colère. Alors on peut prendre le corps d’un jeune homme plusieurs fois de suite.
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Personally, I think merit can be found in each occult sect (except for those sects in which the lies outweigh truths and end up as outright left-hand teachings). It's just most facts contained in them are thoroughly mixed up with rubbish that they're rendered unusable and it'd require a lot of time and effort to sort it out (find the right contexts), but it wouldn't be worth expending the energy to do so. It'd be simpler to prioritize finding new contexts for the parables/teachings of the Gospels, which are more accessible to the public, to the point where many believers know it by heart.
I believe that a synergy between RM and theosophy's actual basis of knowledge* (which wasn't Hinduism) is possible. However, we can absolutely rule out synergy between RM and the current form of theosophy, which has degenerated into an unserviceable society. Theosophical adherents and their latter day leaders (but not their founders), degraded occultism into something absurd/fantastical, incomprehensible, discrediting the occult in the eyes of the public.
There's actually overlap between what DA and A.A. Bailey/Leadbeater have written about the planetary logos, such as Christos duplicating himself, Christos being an expression of God, etc. Leadbeater furnishes rare testimony of observing elementals/nature spirits (i.e. of the fields and meadows), that could help fill in the blanks in DA's survey of their worlds.
One glaring example of a correlation between DA and Leadbeater:
«There were plenty of instances in classical days; and it is unwise to decide that, because a thing does not happen in our crassly materialistic civilization, it can never have occurred under more natural and picturesque conditions.» (DA: «the prevailing conditions–cultural, social, and psychological–in the secular era, have to such an extent impeded the study and mastery of that method that the number of such phenomena has been reduced to a handful of isolated cases.»)
A good example would be Ian Stevenson's account for reincarnation cases in Europe, which are very meager compared to his studies in India.
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I inquired to verify that DA was not influenced by theosophy, it seems that he did not find the time to read it after his release from prison and it's unlikely that he was influenced by their ideas when he was younger. A tremendous relief came upon me that his revelations are unique to him, and not borrowed from older existing traditions. It's curious why the Providential powers have long communicated their revelations through illiterate men (i.e. Mohammed, Shakespeare), unlettered women (i.e. Friederike Hauffe, Blavatsky), poets/artists, instead of scientists (only a few stand out as recipients, i.e. Kepler, Gauss, Mendeleev).
*I hinted about the basis of knowledge in my past diatribe about Kant.
Can you provide me with an example from that work?
Фэруччио,
How is it offensive? Where did DA instruct his followers to express contempt for other occult sects? He just indicated his methods weren't occultism/magic. He also said it must not assume the form of an international religious order, like the occult sects that came before it; that it will not be ecclectic mishmash/ syncretism, but freeing each religion from its external drapery so only the essentials remained, and are incorporated into RM.
Daniil Andreev wrote about his method, saying:
«I have in mind not so much magic or occultism, which have been discredited by a number of misunderstandings, but rather the concept of spiritual work. Various systems and schools of that type can be found in all religions with long spiritual traditions.»
For comparison, Philippe Nizier said:
Il y a deux voies: la voie mentale (occult way) et la voie du Père. Ainsi le comte de Saint-Germain, qui est mort maintenant, a certainement vécu très longtemps. (not by magic) Ce n’est pas par la magie. Ilfaut manger très peu de viande, ne pas boire d’alcool, s’abstenir des femmes, ne jamais se mettre en colère. Alors on peut prendre le corps d’un jeune homme plusieurs fois de suite.
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Personally, I think merit can be found in each occult sect (except for those sects in which the lies outweigh truths and end up as outright left-hand teachings). It's just most facts contained in them are thoroughly mixed up with rubbish that they're rendered unusable and it'd require a lot of time and effort to sort it out (find the right contexts), but it wouldn't be worth expending the energy to do so. It'd be simpler to prioritize finding new contexts for the parables/teachings of the Gospels, which are more accessible to the public, to the point where many believers know it by heart.
I believe that a synergy between RM and theosophy's actual basis of knowledge* (which wasn't Hinduism) is possible. However, we can absolutely rule out synergy between RM and the current form of theosophy, which has degenerated into an unserviceable society. Theosophical adherents and their latter day leaders (but not their founders), degraded occultism into something absurd/fantastical, incomprehensible, discrediting the occult in the eyes of the public.
There's actually overlap between what DA and A.A. Bailey/Leadbeater have written about the planetary logos, such as Christos duplicating himself, Christos being an expression of God, etc. Leadbeater furnishes rare testimony of observing elementals/nature spirits (i.e. of the fields and meadows), that could help fill in the blanks in DA's survey of their worlds.
One glaring example of a correlation between DA and Leadbeater:
«There were plenty of instances in classical days; and it is unwise to decide that, because a thing does not happen in our crassly materialistic civilization, it can never have occurred under more natural and picturesque conditions.» (DA: «the prevailing conditions–cultural, social, and psychological–in the secular era, have to such an extent impeded the study and mastery of that method that the number of such phenomena has been reduced to a handful of isolated cases.»)
A good example would be Ian Stevenson's account for reincarnation cases in Europe, which are very meager compared to his studies in India.
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I inquired to verify that DA was not influenced by theosophy, it seems that he did not find the time to read it after his release from prison and it's unlikely that he was influenced by their ideas when he was younger. A tremendous relief came upon me that his revelations are unique to him, and not borrowed from older existing traditions. It's curious why the Providential powers have long communicated their revelations through illiterate men (i.e. Mohammed, Shakespeare), unlettered women (i.e. Friederike Hauffe, Blavatsky), poets/artists, instead of scientists (only a few stand out as recipients, i.e. Kepler, Gauss, Mendeleev).
*I hinted about the basis of knowledge in my past diatribe about Kant.
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